Just when we think we've heard all the crazy talk we're going to hear from Lori
Vallow Daybell.
We get yet another reason to wonder why she hasn't been charged with murder yet.
So check this out.
Her former sister-in-law Annie shared this audio with the East Idaho News.
On this clip Lori is discussing her third husband, Annie's brother, Joseph Ryan.
I had, um, been married to someone who was very awful,
who raped my children. And, um,
I had divorced him and gotten away from him and he had joined the church.
He spoken state conference. Everyone thought he was wonderful.
He was very good show man of all those things.
And after we were divorced, um,
he told everybody that I was lying crazy Mormon and got up in court and
said all these horrible things about me and turned it around to where
the judges believed him instead of me.
And he was constantly trying to get custody of my three-year-old daughter
just to rub it in my face. And, um, I went through a lot of years of,
of this kind of hard stuff. And I was going to murder him.
I was going to kill him like the scripture, says like me,
if I killed him just to stop the pain and to stop him coming after me and to
stop him coming up through my children.
And I was just,
I just thought I couldn't take it anymore.
And I would go through the scriptures and find all the things like if he comes
against you, once if he comes against you twice,
if he comes against you three times. Then you can kill them.
It says in the scriptures, there it is. There's my answer.
I've don't want to do anything that's wrong.
I did not have a murderous heart.
I just wanted to stop the bleeding and stop the pain.
And so someone wise is speaking to me and said,
you need to go to the temple. So I went and met my bishop and I was like,
I'm either going to turn my life to the temple, or I'm going to commit murder.
That was recorded in October,
2018 and Joseph Ryan had just died of a supposed heart attack that
April, after a 12 year custody battle with Lori.
His body wasn't found until a neighbor noticed an odor coming from his apartment
more than two weeks after he died. Even though they'd been divorced since 2004,
Lori was still listed as his next of kin.
But when they called to tell her Joseph's body needed to be claimed,
she ignored it and didn't tell anyone else in his family that he was dead.
According to Annie,
Joseph's body laid unclaimed in the morgue for five weeks.
The police had to do a background check to find his brother who ultimately
claimed his body. As of just two days ago,
Phoenix police are saying they will launch a new review into his death based on
that audio, you just heard.
For more details about Joseph's relationship with Lori and his suspicious death,
check out this episode. Meanwhile,
I'm hoping the police find enough evidence to bump Lori and Chad's current
charges up to murder for the deaths of her children, JJ and Tylee.
Don't go anywhere because I'm about to give you a quick update about Lori and
Chad's legal wranglings.
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I'm looking forward to the day I can tell you that Lori and or Chad Daybell have
been charged with murder. Sadly, that day is not today,
but it might be getting a little closer.
Earlier this month a judge ruled that Lori and Chad will be on trial together
in 2021. Now that may sound like a no brainer.
I mean after all their charges are mostly the same. And in the eyes of the law,
it's not unusual to combine trials in a case like this,
but it is unusual for the two defendants to disagree about it,
especially since they're married. But for some strange reason,
Chad fought the motion to combine their trials and Lori didn't.
Chad is charged with multiple felony counts of concealing evidence after
Lori's kids,
JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan were found buried on his property in June.
Police believe they were killed in September, 2019.
Lori is charged with conspiracy to conceal evidence in that case.
They're both pleading, not guilty.
And so far neither one has turned on the other.
But the question now is how long will that last?
Their one year anniversary was on November 5th and and I'm just now
realizing that I can't remember the exact date Amy and I got married.
Uh, yes, we are married.
But I do know when Chad and Lori Daybell got hitched in Hawaii. Yes.
So don't mention that to Amy. Okay. Anyway,
the Daybells got married only two weeks after Chad's wife of 28 years died
suddenly in her sleep. At first,
Tammy Daybell's death was thought to be natural causes,
but now it's under investigation.
It's been close to a year since her autopsy last December,
but so far the results haven't been released.
Check out this episode for more information about Tammy's very suspicious
death, but for right now, I just want to point out that between Chad and Lori,
they have two husbands, a brother slash co-conspirator,
a wife,
and two kids who are all dead under suspicious circumstances.
You could say these are not people who care overly much about family ties or
marriage vows,
which should be making them nervous since they know what each other are capable
of.
Although it's fair to say that Lori seems to care about Chad a little bit more
than he cares about her these days. I mean,
who could forget Lori reminding the judge to call her Mrs. Daybell during one of
her hearings,
while Chad's lawyer corrected the judge when he referred to Lori by her married
name. In an attempt to keep their trials separate, Chad's lawyer,
John Prior argued that an overwhelming amount of local media coverage was
already making it hard for Chad to get a fair trial.
And he insisted that combining the trials would make it worse and give the jury
a stronger, more prejudicial opinion about Chad instead of looking at the,
at the facts as he wrote in a motion published by KTVB 7 News.
So what he's saying is that he just wants the jury to focus on the facts and not
the many,
many strange deaths and bizarre statements and behavior from his current wife,
Lori.
Is he suggesting that despite the many facts proving that Chad lied to
the police about his relationship with Lori and asked Melanie Gibb to
lie about the whereabouts of JJ,
that he may be able to say he has no idea how his wife's children came to
be buried in his yard?
That sure sounds like Chad is regretting getting involved with his biggest fan.
And Lori should be concerned that he'll soon be pointing the finger at her.
At this point, his lawyer is doing everything possible to distance him from her,
but that latest audio recording of Lori saying she was going to murder a man
because she thought her religion allowed something like that is exactly the kind
of thing Chad and his lawyer want to avoid having brought up at his trial.
Police in Arizona have also been threatening to bring murder charges against
Lori for the death of her fourth husband, Charles Vallow.
As you probably remember,
six months after telling him he was possessed by a dark spirit and she was going
to murder him Charles was killed by Lori's brother, Alex Cox,
in July, 2019.
Be sure to check out this video to dig deeper into that part of the saga.
But you can be sure that the threat of murder charges against her former husband
is yet another piece of Lori's baggage that Chad doesn't want influencing
the verdict in his trial. So how exactly does a joint trial work? Well,
according to a statement, the Idaho attorney general gave KTVB,
a combined trial works a little differently.
Both Chad and Lori's lawyers will be allowed to cross examine witnesses
and make separate opening and closing arguments.
But the prosecution can include both defendants in the opening and closing
statements. Meanwhile,
Lori's lawyer Mark Means recently tweeted this,
insinuating that his defense is going to try and pin everything on everyone else
besides Lori and Chad, presumably.
To give you a better idea of who everyone else is
take a look at this list of names her lawyer sent to the prosecutor, Rob Wood,
as a part of an eight page letter requesting discovery files.
According to the East Idaho News, he asked for audio and video recordings,
emails, text messages, social media posts, voicemails notes,
pictures, police, and agency reports and charts, graphs,
and files on these 17 people. Here we go. Chad and Lori,
Melanie Gibb and David Warwick, Alex Cox, Zulema Pastenes,
Charles Vallow, Adam Cox, Summer Shiflet, Melanie Pawlowski,
Ian Pawlowski, Kay and Larry Woodcock, Heather Daybell,
JJ and Tylee and potential witnesses.
You may be familiar with most of those names,
but I'll give you a quick rundown just in case.
Melanie and David Warwick are expected to be star witnesses against them since
Melanie, and at some level David, her boyfriend,
were part of Chad and Lori's inner circle. And Melanie knows a lot
they should be worried about. Alex Cox is Lori's brother.
He seemed to function as Lori's hitman and his cell phone is what led
investigators to Chad's backyard in June when they discovered JJ and Tylee's
bodies buried there. Alex died last December of supposedly natural causes.
Interestingly,
he died on the same day Tammy Daybell's body was exhumed to determine whether
her sudden death was Chad's handiwork. Zulema is Alex's wife,
but they'd been married less than two weeks before he dropped dead.
Adam Cox is Lori's other brother. He works as a radio DJ.
Summer Shiflet is Lori's sister.
You may remember her from an appearance back in May on 48 Hours when she and her
mother insisted that Lori would never harm her children,
despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Melanie and Ian Pawlowski are Lori's niece and her new husband.
As a reminder, Melanie's former husband, Brandon,
survived an attempted murder against him
that many believe was connected to Lori.
Ian is the man who shared the shocking details about Chad and Lori's beliefs
about zombies and dark spirits with law enforcement.
Heather Daybell is Chad's sister.
She has nothing to do with hisDoomsday cult and has completely distanced herself
from him.
Kay and Larry Woodcock are Charles Vallow's sister and brother-in-law and JJ's
grandparents.
When or if Mark Means can expect to get the information he requested
on those people remains to be seen since investigators may still be going
through all of it, trying to find evidence to bring murder charges against Lori,
Chad, or someone else in the deaths of JJ and Tylee.
And judging from the bodies around them,
murder charges in their death should be just for starters.
As of right now, Chad and Lori's joint trial date's not been scheduled yet,
but don't count Chad out yet.
He has a hearing to dismiss his case scheduled on November 24th. Well,
that's your update on Mr. and Mrs. Daybell, as of right now.
So let me know what you think they're going to try as a defense strategy given
the fact that Lori's team is asking for so much information on those 17
people, while Chad is just trying to put as much space between them as possible.
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