everybody well below what the flick were discussing looking
season one obviously episode 3 and looking at your browser history I think
the title the phone
is that right I believe that right into that was that nice there was that that
was a
middling moment but again like well not again
because we haven't talked think that but so hot my bro and I'm curious what the
what you obviously your thought that we've you we've each done it
we haven't talked we have together we have no no you're not and I I'm not
I don't feel fully invested noko
and I'm not quite buying the characters it's a slow burn the show for sure I
mean they're not
I think even even by the central HBO shows they would have normally
thrust a lot of exposition at this point I kinda feel like
the conversations and the events are less about
things happening then just been letting us know who these people are
arm even at times and throwaway comment I feel like a lot of what we're learning
about
Patrick it comes from just sort upside observation the people making like in
the pilot when tom says
you gotta bring all your mother thinks you know I
he is he's withholding information you like it or not well as family doesn't
talk about his past
and I think were gonna mine stuff like that later in and if you saw into
Hicksville weekend
there's that same sorta political sense have these conversations that
on their face don't seem to be telling you a lot but they accumulate into
really creating these characters so
I think I'm I'm giving the show the benefit of the doubt so far that it went
to reward
more patients lie I would say I hope I hope it does and
I and I i think i misspoke I was careless I thought I don't buy the
characters that I i
perhaps even worse I i'm afraid I don't find them interesting know okay and I'm
certainly not
has nothing to do with the behavior that's posted shocks true that was more
that might shock straight II
warned you about that I remember show necessarily things that grow but I think
that obviously
part of that mean I'm sure that that many people who watch that show
a you know where legal injured HBO is a new show holy who I
yeah mom but you know i i get that I'm sure that it's a
you know it said that part is interesting and
I'm sure it's you know accurate and credible for some people
on I don't think Patrick is interesting at all
and I don't who's the guy with the beard a
I have moved ok a others Augustine
right so the battered former roommate so I'm
indifferent to him I really like it but I guess he's a little
interesting a I don't like some parts of them um
Dom the older guy his by far the most interesting I like the idea great seen
in the
in that sauna with Scott Bakula right now in this episode
coming off a behind the candelabra interest in coming off a trip by
occurred today he said he's down as will help Yahoo
I didn't realize that quantum leap was a geisha I
have to go back to redefine the internally at Enterprise do it showed
you know this is guys but it's am just go on time on flower shop institution
that he refers to the other the waiters
the way an addition the way you know waiters and restaurateur guy has been
here for ever had and I was one of those guys who's been at the specific
restaurant for a long time
you know and and I like the way II
there was one moment that I really like 20 his his former
partners former boyfriend comes back and her team in some terrible way
taken eight thousand bucks for a moment guys played ought to rehab it is making
a man check to pay back the money Never Dies
I and then Dom yelled at him
at a meeting like it goes off to meet his client things like it I want to
match at all is a man that
the church back like he was like and I don't know for sure said that are a bit
better that was a satisfying as I thought a parallel
apparently better I have letter I have no idea thing with Patrick is that they
cast Jonathan Groff who is
I think super charismatic and is player is the kind that actor that you get
sucked into
arm but the heat makes mistake after mistake and clearly has a lot of baggage
in a lot of issues and
wants to be sorted a libertine but didn't kick white male the landing and
also wants a commitment became quite do that either and we're getting buried
little little little hints along the way about well why this guy who is what he
is and I think the
be a waiting for that reveal is as interesting as just getting to know him
back
that even though he is a a granite about someone unlikable character
yeah I unlikable and and unlikable causing dumb
like it or not really dumb is clearly quite bright but I you make one mistake
government life and doesn't seem to give no people at all
you know any you know so when he was with that guy was incredibly attracted
to the latino guy and he has that moment worries
you know trying to get him to talk about Mexico yeah I'm
you know it was just awkward and then though the part about whether the guy
was cut or uncut
you know just do you like dude you know it okay to wonder about that stuff is OK
to wonder about you bernie & Howell at how do
to a new person my career as you might be able to see it on but let me know
that you're OK Cupid date with the you know the person who like a while
okay you really just have no idea like right what you say when you don't say
when you're getting to know somebody in those like
I i you know i i think we've all been there to some extent or another maybe
not to that
to that remember that we talk about girls today like these are characters
who make really huge mistakes in who are
self-centered in weird ways and and and the
how far do you stretch that without the audience lose them and I think
I the I don't I don't think he's got these guys are much better guys than the
girls
on girls when these they have moments above
you know real tenderness toward each other
as friends and I'm you know II don't know I think patrick is a good guy
Petters know how to talk to people that are going up
flap right but I mean when he's talking about his job in his worries in the DOM
just with others about me he generously oh my god you're right I'm sorry that
you know he put his arm around 'em in
walked him and then when when the Augustine with
got fired and came home in a hangout they have Thai food in there just really
kind and decent to each other in these
and Patrick is interested like we're going too far did it a big deal
well yeah exit link doesn't character would never graduated you can be a bit
but
I have cause I was into that sorta thing that people do where they drop a
bombshell
and then I R L at least that's what I have are you here in America yet but I
like the idea of I love his line about where you know we aren't good at being
what we say we are here and how I like that how he takes in it should actually
like
put some elbow grease into his work and and and and and
and commit to this thing that he has apparently always wanted to do and that
means I am
I'm a little skittish about the whole sex work thing coming up this
early by God seems we kinda sometime that'd
in other hand has been to apply short and wide well above the bar buybacks in
the wall I guess I'll be a sex worker now
but you know get it that hard to do shows week to week and and and analyze
them
we'll see how this plays out where it goes I i'm a little when you get I would
I hope he doesn't they would do you know how it does make that call
yeah and I'm sure babe and even if he does make that call me i i just hated by
introducing as a plopping is
I i mean i i got a judgment whether I recall I just mean like I'm not
I don't think that guy would make that call right now I know and and and I and
they would be sad to be completely gives up on art
back quickly I think I think you know that the trying to express the idea that
he does still have that in images gallery find them you know you've been
brought up mentioning their the that
that when he goes to see but often goes to see Patrick any drop that bomb
shelter and i wanna talk about
but thats you know at the really human thing to do like I don't talk about it
but what I want is with my friend yet no no I don't want to be allow it
and I don't want to be with my boyfriend yeah absolutely no it's recognizable
behavior I'm not knocking the show for I'm just saying that that their I've
been in that situation for years ago
you know but yeah no I totally get that from
and you know I'm interested in this the Kevin character is i think is
interesting to the ball
the by the British boss you know I he did you know that to the QB some
interesting I am sure there I love Russell toby is great I don't know that
much suspense in this show yet for
the is he gay I think there's enough yeah I think probably get the better of
it the mail with the speaking part of why I feel for the Asian friend you know
I will I
the token straight Asian friend I
yeah the that was I but but I'm using although
I didn't II didn't I was not up there was one of my problems with I was not a
fan of that whole scene on the aircraft carrier
partly to know what was happening but I i into the lead in like anybody there
like they all male felt sorta petty and self-involved and I wasn't I wish I wish
I was made
but like I got its okay not like characters I mean the shows that we love
have kept alive her character's
on a but they're usually not nasty and
and I just as as the first seen in a show like that was the
first time as I watched it the watch that this morning actually
so for the first three or four minutes I was like it I don't know I wanna watch
anymore I was an office party you have there are those can be really awkward
and whatever other I i kinda bought into it and
I you know admittedly I've always had a soft spot for Russell that we because
he was a he had to use in one episode of Doctor Who as a guy named alonzo
no not so and so now every girl at a Starbucks whoever takes my order ass Rio
de what doctor who when I don't actually want I grew but I know bat
back toward so alright let's let his heart I i three i know i i i understand
why people are thinking that the show is
slower boring or whatever but I don't agree with them and I am
I'm I'm still on board I wanna see where you're going to die once you're just
give us before we go one question
for you from the totally critical
point of view they obviously had a choice to make with the show that's
gonna show
such an honest depiction Nov not just gay relationships but gave brief
relationship surf culture
you know the way said one night stand or yet the way every man every man would
behave if
women would cooperate great so game and just have this opportunity
a the and so they had an A
a chance in the first episode from to show
two guys who meet four minutes before going yet
from and they didn't and that there are many producers there are many
show runners a no matter what kinda show
who would think we're gonna start big
we're gonna let people know what this is but that first episode and you
you gave me you'd give me that morning like a waiver but
they didn't do it they waited and I i thought id curious
how long they waited they were very careful with how they introduce that I
thought well I think I think diminish I think the the fact is our first exposure
this character is
hooking up with a stranger in a park even if it doesn't go anywhere is still
already pretty
as pretty well planned and had the bag he doesn't go through with it I think I
already told us what about that caricature
button but from a but from I'll how are we gonna introduce the fact that this is
a show about something that basically
if we consider HBO mainstream and I certainly think we get them
that we haven't seen that is taboo ish I think it's interesting that they waited
until episode 3
to really give it to us well I it depends I mean there's a three way in
the first episode involving a you-know-what out on a second I was in
the first episode
really involving a you know monogamous couple right you know with the guest
star and and that's pretty very pretty you know I thought those observed
general I was upset one
right well night than ever but def I think I think there's more to this show
them what do the beggars re how r
we had Queer as Folk for that this is going to be the smart show where do the
casually bank yeah there's more to show I just die I will
I i am certain that that was a conversation have how much
doing can much do we give away in our chance to make the first impression and
there's a
there's a stylistic choice that could be made which is
let's let everybody know right away or let even though I can't do I get they
they have their cake and eat it you know the the exit the per share was an
anonymous troopers
seen as an honest written part but also one that doesn't go to completion and it
doesn't go to completion not because I'm any
skittishness on the part makers because that's who this character is
that he's now over to yeah and completion clearly thought that this is
you know I think it was very I think we should root in like
okay this is what you think the show is going to be I but it's not it's going to
be about this guy and his friends and their issues and with the opposite of
that
that they have the iPad I and only version I have no idea how good you know
I'm at the non
finish bar no I re:
i buy well you but as usual yeah I have convinced me otherwise
I we will be back the next week absurd for looking thanks everybody