okay deutero canonical is a term that wasn't used in the catholic church until
about uh uh 10 to 15 years after the council of trent in 1546 and actually it's about 1555-56
when uh sixtus of uh sienna uh a place in italy uh wrote about the proto-canonical and
the deutero canonical the proto-canonical books were the ones that were found in the hebrew bible
and the deuterocanonical books are those that were found in the septuagint and the catholic church
has accepted the deuterocanonical books as sacred scripture equal to all of the others the orthodox
church has uh they don't use the term deutero canonical but they call them non-canonical old
testament scriptures which is an interesting uh discussion the russians i've got that when i was
in moscow a couple of years ago and i said wow that almost sounds like a contradiction in terms
they call them non-canonical old testament scriptures uh and but others simply call
them uh ecclesiastical writings and refine us in the early uh fifth century uh identified
them as ecclesiastical that meant that they were good for reading and athanasius in 367
spoke about he identified all of the books of the hebrew bible except esther and then he said
here's a group of books that are not canonical but they are useful for reading in private and he
called them anagnos kamena which means readable books it's a greek term and it's quite popular
among those in the east the orthodox uh to the east so those books were viewed as valuable
interestingly the protestants didn't stop including them in their bibles for
quite some period of time i have a facsimile of the first english
bible uh the the king james english bible 1611 and it has the apocryphal books between the old
and new testament the orthodox and the catholics don't put them between the old new testament
they put them in the same general genres uh types of literature throughout their old
testament they mixed them uh in between but the martin luther was the first to put them
he didn't like them at all uh though he thought some of them were useful for reading he hated
second maccabees but he put them between the old testament and the new and that's been followed in
english bibles the english bibles protestant bibles carried them variously up until 1800
and then they stopped uh 1850 may have been the last date for an english bible with the apocryphal
books in it between old new testament and then it started again with the rsv in 1950 so it it varied
for a period of time but they were quite popular among the uh protestants for quite some time
the closest thing we have to the orthodox uh in the east the eastern orthodox and the oriental
orthodox and if you want me to explain the differences i will the uh is the anglican church
that uses them reads them for value and they're the books of the soul uh and that's a quote from
who was at harvard for a number of years uh they were valuable reading but they were not canonical
and doctrine couldn't be based on them and that's the anglican uh tradition uh they separate the
books they're not scripture but they're useful for reading so it'd be like if it'd be like how
i would view the apostolic fathers reading first clement and polycarp's letter to the church at
philippi or the fragments of papias or ignatius's letters right well they're not considered a
scripture authoritative but they are valuable for reading yeah and some early christians considered
first and second clement and ignatius and the didache and epistle of barnabas as a sacred
scripture but eventually our 27 books of the new testament didn't include those but for centuries
some churches did and in the case of the suit of picarpha enoch is still in the ethiopian biblical
canon and it was in christians uh uh irenaeus called uh enoch scripture and so did tertullian
and initially origin in the third century and then by the end of that period of his life
he uh he dropped it and then it went off the edge uh along the way so the deuterocanonical
books uh now uh i have been called hopelessly protestant because i always referred to them as
apocryphal apocryphal books for the catholics and the orthodox are rejected heretical books