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- [Drew] It's totally predator.
- Yeah.
This one here is actually sonar.
- Do you think souls come back to visit places?
So we are in the basement at the CBS Broadcast Center.
- [Steve] It was a dairy farm--
- As sort of fake vegetarian,
I like to think of dairy cows as living a wonderful life
and living to a ripe old age
and they enjoyed being milked.
But every mother can relate to that,
we all have to have...
Do you think that souls come back to visit places?
- I do think that.
I mean, nobody knows for sure the mechanics behind it,
if there's conscious thought, if there's a decision,
or if they're here for a reason that we don't know.
But I do think it can happen, yeah.
What we usually try to do is build rapport
with whatever it could be here.
Give it some sort of verbal trigger.
Say you had passed and you didn't want somebody in here
or you didn't even care about somebody being in here.
You might be more likely to interact with them
if they maybe say you're your mother's name
or mention things that you're familiar with
or things that you are interested in.
So we'll try that type of scenario
when we're looking for any sort of ghostly type of--
- Okay.
See it, I see a dot.
- [Steve] That's you here.
But there's something there with mass.
- There's something there with mass. (gasping)
Okay, it's still there.
Steve, what is this?
So the cows were in here.
- The cows are in here, yep.
They found a hoof down here.
We're really focused on energy and how it moves
and then tracks with the environment.
So what was this like when this was a,
a dairy farm?
- You know this is not the first place
I would call a meeting.
Unless you're making "Blair Witch 3".
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
Everything goes wrong in my life.
I hit that box of macaroni and cheese real hard.
- You do need dairy to make macaroni and cheese.
- You absolutely do with no harm to a cow.
Just some milking.
Oh my god!
I love that ladder!
I need that!
Oh gosh.
I mean,
I really need this in my apartment.
I'm just saying we all need a ladder.
Okay, Steve, thank you for coming on the show.
Now we didn't find any ghosts,
but we did find a fabulous ladder.
That said, what can people do at home,
because you have all this fancy equipment
and it really is impressive.
What do people do that don't have the fancy equipment
when they want to find ghosts?
- There are a lot of things that people can do at home.
One thing that we do as a rapport building technique
called call and response
where you're using any kind of information
that you can use as a verbal trigger to get a response.
And if people can't afford all the gadgetry like we have,
a compass can be used.
If a compass can't find magnetic North
then there's something there
messing with the energy in the environment.
- I love a compass.
I also think it makes one of the greatest gifts.
And you can say you're my North star.
- Oh and that's really sweet.
- Well I love that you love energy so much
because I'm a big believer in energy.
And I have to say hanging out with you
in such a kind of intimidating environment,
I had no idea that that was lurking below.
I knew that it was a dairy farm
but I pictured it very differently.
And being down there with you I felt very safe.
So you have good energy.
- Thank you very much.
I see you have the ladder right there that you (chuckling).
- Listen, I could have gone on Etsy,
which by the way I just hosted the Etsy Awards,
I'm a big fan,
but I'm like an antique ladder,
I'm just gonna take it.
Anyway, thank you Steve.
You can catch Steve in the two hour special
"Ghost Nation: Reunion in Hell"
airing on Halloween night on the Travel Channel.
Steve, thank you so much.
You are so lovely. - My pleasure, my pleasure.
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